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20b23a  No.826847[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Welcome! This is a board for Christian discussion. Please read the rules linked above before posting.

>Even on a Christian board, use tor or a trusted VPN.

>Rules have been updated

>Logs are opened

>Flags added

If you are interested in being a volunteer, please email christchannel@pm.me

If your Christian church isn't represented in the flags and you would like one, tell me the name and post the appropriate emblem ITT

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f4030c  No.830736

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5d5fa1  No.829354[Reply]

Please watch and read and reflect. It may be helpful to anyone who is extremely worried. I understand people are afraid. But the LORD is always in control.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUxk8-Uosx8

http://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/cs-lewis-coronavirus/

http://www.christianpost.com/voices/cs-lewis-and-the-coronavirus.html

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447342  No.829467[Reply]

the Bible says not to hate one another and he seems to pride himself on this.

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a4c359  No.830729

>>830723

>Someone tries to say that a term taken straight out of the Bible is "using calvinist terms" and therefore proof that they are pseudo-calvinist

No, he built a half-assed theology on top of those terms, which, again, makes him clueless and overrated, not a calvinist.

>I simply reject "multiple version only" modernism that asserts God created multiple versions of his word. We've been around since long before 1611. Just because you now have a huge crowd of "multiple version only" bible readers with you means nothing.

Dude, i'm not even from the Anglosphere.

I don't even care about your translation autism, or you larping as berbers.

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0cdec6  No.830730

>>830729

Sounds like you just got confused by the high level conversations we were having then. No worries, all is forgiven.

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a4c359  No.830751

>>830730

Cope more.

Also, observing you from multiple threads, i observe you have scripted responses in any discussion, regardless of the one you are talking to, including your obsession with Wikipedia, and your "not understanding our high level discussion" arrogance.

I have no interest in continuing this discussion, on these terms.

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8732d4  No.830754

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

Watch the first 10minutes of this vid. How a Christian ministers to sinners, including a dying homosexual…

I really hope Anderson lets go of his reprobate theory, because the scripture is clear. The church in Corinth was full of degenerates, homos, adulterers…. "and such were some of you"…but they were made clean and saved.

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0cdec6  No.830755

>>830751

>our high level discussion

Actually I said high level conversation, meaning using upper level technical English terminology. I shouldn't place expectations on you to follow that if you aren't a primary English speaker, so my apologies.

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48c264  No.830161[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

The fundamentals of Christianity must be drawn down to something that we can hold in our hands, knowing it's stood the test of time. As the Psalmist wrote, God would refine his word and it would be preserved from generation to generation. This is an indication that his Word would be maintained through history correctly. We can see that it has when we find old manuscripts that match modern transcripts with only insignificant differences that don't change the meaning of what is written.

But then the argument is, what is the correct make up of the Bible? Was Martin Luther correct to remove some? That's answered by how the Jewish leaders of the day looked at the Bible. Jesus answered this when he spoke to the Pharisee in Luke 11 and said, "50 Therefore this generation will be held responsible for the blood of all the prophets that has been shed since the beginning of the world, 51 from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, who was killed between the altar and the sanctuary. Yes, I tell you, this generation will be held responsible for it all." This noted the original composition of the Bible, without the books that were added in, from Genesis to Zechariah and then Malachi. The people at the time didn't dispute this. This was understood to be the correct composition.

Additionally, we then look at history. Those who tried to get the Bible into more hands in other languages, whether Tyndale, Luther, and many others, advanced the Bible in extreme opposition to the established religious order which sought to hunt them down and kill them for blasphemy, even knowing a murderer would not enter heaven.

We then see in Deuteronomy 28 that God told the Israelis that if they follow Him and do as he commands, he would bless them abundantly and show others the perfect way to him. Four nations that have been abundantly blessed are Germany, Switzerland, Great Britain and America. Each one of those places played a role in advancing Protestantism. Germany was the first to adopt Protestantism and housed those who were persecuted for advancing it; Geneva, Switzerland was the place John Calvin and others went to turn the worst slums in Europe into a better place by following Christian principles; Great Britain followed Protestantism and America did too. Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

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457439  No.830692

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>>830680

Seriously, daddy issues are so damaging.

Women turn into being repeatedly attracted to abusive retards, while men turn into neurotic weirdos with a fascination for dictatorial religious and political strongmen to fatherly discipline their "flock" from it's own winnie the pooh-ups, and punish dissenters that want to harm society(if he's too brutal, it's just because of excessive zeal and not being limp-wristed, you see).

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1b100e  No.830696

>>830675

Context:

>Do not assume that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. A man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.

Matthew 10:34-36

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457439  No.830698

>>830696

So yeah, it's about family being anti-christian, not about being verbally and physically violent to everyone, like a howler monkey on meth.

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48c264  No.830699

>>830675

He was saying that if you follow him, there will be problems in your life. People will turn against you. It's similar to him saying you need to deny yourself, pick up your cross and carry it.

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5f224a  No.830752

>>830699

Where do I even start with this conversation?

>Bering mean is not a sin

Actually being mean is being uncharitable. But simply seeming to be mean to some easily offended sin-filled people is not a sin. Maybe turning over some tables seemed "mean" to some people, but it was still the right thing to do in that situation. Being the Lord, we know what he did was the charitable thing for him to do in that situation, because that was supposed to be the house of prayer. Something nobody even picked up on in this thread. Psalm 119 says "My zeal hath consumed me, because mine enemies have forgotten thy words."

>Jesus rebuked many people.

This is an even better example because according to both epistles to Timothy and the epistle to Titus we are supposed to rebuke certain things openly "that they may be sound in the faith," and not be given to Jewish fables and commandments of men that turn from the truth (i.e. "but that's mean," "but that's hate," etc.).

Now to the reply,

>Jesus only raised his voice to the Pharisee.

He raised his voice to various unclean spirits. He raised his voice to the raging wind during the storm. He cried with a loud voice when he was on the cross. He also rebuked Peter and others at various times.

>He's using Christian as a weapon to justify his hatred.

Hatred of what? If you want to say someone is wrong ONLY because they have a hatred of something (even sin), then you are going down a dangerous path. I'm not an Andersonite. Saying "someone has hatred" is not saying someone is sinful. God hates sin. Psalm 11:5 says that God hates them that love violence. Are you going to accuse God of using that as "a weapon to justify his hatred"? This idea that "justifying hatred" is wrong makes no sense. It is modernist judeo-secular nonsense. God hates things. He hates sin. That's not a problem. There's nothing wrong with "justifying hatred" in the first place. I don't understand how you can complain about that!

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95e6dd  No.830705[Reply]

>Tertullian: "the blood of martyrs is the seed of the Church"

>Sacralists: make martyrs by executing people for nonviolent theological disagreement

>"Oh no dissenters are only emboldened by the execution, how could this happen??"

Imagine not supporting free churches and calling yourself a disciple of Christ

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76cf43  No.830710

>>830705

Ironically, Tertullian himself became a victim, not of just the pagans or Romans, but even the "Church" he gave so much to. Branded a heretic to this day, simply for believing the Holy Spirit's gifts were still given (a Charismatic, if you will….which is amusing, since Catholics are now open to this).

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a84570  No.830750

>>830710

He was accused of that only by proxy of being a Montanist. And the accusations toward that faction, of having women leaders, creating new scriptures and so forth, are of doubtful validity.

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09f9a6  No.830748[Reply]

Any Russians or people who've been to St.Petersburg here? I plan to visit in a few years and want to attend at least one service, any recommendations for one to attend?

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9894ab  No.830514 [Reply]

I'm interested in learning about the Catholic faith and possibly convert. And I would like to have some suggestions for books to read about faith and theology. I've heard the catechism is a good place to start. Should I get the new edition or the Council of Trent edition?

Thanks.

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c4eb81  No.830650

>>830647

No. Your entire debating style is trying to annoy your opponent into submission.

I don't even know what you said in >>830631 because I haven't read half of it, I just got a feeling that the rest of the post would be more of the same.

>What is your point of even bringing it up in the first place? What are you trying to insinuate? Because I'm not following.

>It doesn't matter who the Holy Father is criticising with his hot take. It isn't Church teaching and is an allowable opinion because there are several licit liturgical forms, and he's allowed to have an opinion on it like he's allowed to have crappy hot takes on European football.

I can't interpret >>830537 for you, and besides its not that hard. Coupled with >>830609 containing mostly non-replies, mostly due to misunderstandings of the text, I am not very encouraged to continue this discussion.

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edf2be  No.830651

>>830615

Not sure, but I'm also not sure why Roman Catholics think they are entitled to the exclusive use of the descriptor.

The results on what amount people think they should be tithing are very disappointing however, because God asks for a tenth and anything less is actually taking from God.

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18d86a  No.830662

>>830650

>No. Your entire debating style is trying to annoy your opponent into submission.

You are entitled to that opinion, brother. I have argued that I had to say to my full satisfaction.

>I am not very encouraged to continue this discussion.

This is also perfectly acceptable.

PAX.

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fbd04b  No.830746

>>830651

>God asks for a tenth and anything less is actually taking from God.

God has Charity, of course. The penny from the poor woman means more than the shekel from the rich man.

Rather heartless to think you have to buy your way into heaven.

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fbd04b  No.830747

>>830609

I point out that Trad Catholics and N.O. Catholics have different beliefs and give examples. You ignore it all and just state that they believe the same and wrap your argument ad nausium in an ad hom.

I'm not convinced, nor would anyone be convinced by this argument who eschews the use of fallacies.

>Even St. Pius X…

Don't you dare. How's that oath against Modernism working out, Modernist?

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35bb89  No.830695[Reply]

Before this quarantine my life was exactly the same. When there aren't any college classes to attend my days are spent wholly on reading and listening to classical music in my room, and due to my lack of social skills I hold no interest in going to church or interacting with others in real life. Can I still be a christian despite my conditions? I'm a twenty something man with no sexual or romantic experiences behind me, and I recently resigned myself to a life of chastity because I am not suited for the current attractiveness standards.

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b4d137  No.830738

>>830737

You are confusing evangelical with fundamentalist

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b4d137  No.830739

Besides, what you're boo hooing about is the idea that ALL churches are comped in favor of globobomo, after you moved the goalposts from the state causing the manipulation

Rick and Morty style edgy pessimism. Find a healthy church and share the gospel.

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ec0534  No.830743

>>830739

I'm boring and in my 40s and don't know your pop culture references. After a quick search, I don't care to learn more.

As for pessimism, it depends on what we're talking about. I'm more pessimistic about the Western churches than, say, the churches in Syria that have gone through a beating the past year. There's more that warms my heart seeing them than anything here. Or the house church in China that holds services the whole day and shed tears just to receive bibles. All of these people take Christ's words seriously, to the point of death, and lack even a hint of smugness.

Just because I'm disgusted with the West doesn't mean I have a pessimistic character in general. You don't even have to point a gun at it's leaders, and they'll bark like a dog if asked to.

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ec0534  No.830744

>>830739

Also, I didn't say all btw. I said some "public churches are good and have escaped notice". But even most of those often are part of overseeing denomination authorities that can turn things sour very quickly. It doesn't take much.

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ec0534  No.830745

Since we're on the subject of State pressure, let me just leave here with this instead of making a new thread about it:

I wouldn't be surprised if this new

"crisis" ends up with a vaccine push in a year or so (considering how much they're demonizing simpler pill solutions, it almost definitely sounds like they want to market a vaccine). And I wouldn't be surprised if churches started urging it on their members and even contributing to the drives - and even resort to shaming or coercion if questioned.

I'll eat crow if that doesn't happen and will reevalute things. But not before then. God willing that I'm still here by that point.

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28c690  No.826900[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

How do you bros avoid the sin of pornography/masturbation?

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890507  No.830028

>>826900

The Jesus prayer helps in times of immediate need. It is the sword and shield of the believer; use it.

Long-term, I think it helps to understand that our desires are not bad The desire for a woman is the natural inclination of man. God gave us this desire as a blessing. The problem comes when the desire becomes our master, rather than our tool. Meditate (in times of calm, when you're unoppressed) on true beauty. The God-glorifying beauty of femininity, of marriage, of the Theotokos and her obedience to the will of God.

Nature abhors a vacuum. If you cut out a bad habit but don't replace it with a good habit then you're toiling as did Sisyphus. Build a habit of prayer. Pray that God renews your mind to see the holiness of beauty, and the beauty of holiness. And of course, go to confession. This is hard right now due to a certain virus but don't let it be an excuse when church doors open up again.

You are in my prayers, brother. We fight this fight together. Blessings.

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1fa72d  No.830255

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When I see His face in icons or by name, I want to burn in a fire. Twice now in the past two days and not in a "nice" way, no… I've developed two seperate nervous tics over the last few months, lasting one week at most and I've still not been baptized.

It's really getting heavy to breathe, figuratively speaking. The fruit tastes less sweet, the periods of introspection and calm shorter. I want to get rid of this horrible person I carry as soon as possible, and wake up one day anew, finally having something of a right to the things in life again. I've only this to look forward to.

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86ed6c  No.830740

I literally made a vow to God that I would NEVER watch porn again. Specifically, I could not (purposely) visit porn sites, red boards, or google/YouTube anything pornographic (nudity, kissing, etc.) It’s been 5 months and I’ve upheld the vow. There are still exceptions. For example, I can still run across erotic images or webms on certain boards. But still, I’ve cut a lot of it out. I later made a vow to not search for erotic literature either.

As for masturbation, I haven’t used any vows for it. However, I did make a rule just recently that if I masturbated, then I could not visit 4chan within the next 7 days. In the future I plan to make similar vows, though I can’t really think of any specific activities that I indulge in to abstain from as a punishment. Maybe cut out all mindless browsing or watching videos that are for entertainment only.

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2db370  No.830741

First you have to be aware of the desire before it grows into a wildfire, it's much easier to put out a spark than an inferno.

Second remind yourself of the times you masturbated, it's literally a 10second dopamine rush that's over before you know it. Then you go back to normal and forget about it completely….what's the point?

Third act as if you just masturbated, you got the 10second rush, it's over. Now what are you gonna do? Read a book, do some work, cook, exercise? Go do what you would do after jerking off….act as if you just masturbated.

This makes no sense lol but it works for me. Yesterday I felt the urge and I immediately told myself "ok I just masturbated, it's over, done, now what???" I just stood up, said a short prayer and started cleaning my house.

As for porn, that's different, you have to go cold turkey and watch your gaze very carefully. Avoid any lewdness as much as possible, even swimsuit type pictures…

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86ed6c  No.830742

>>828823

>>828758

> So flee youthful passions and pursue righteousness, faith, love, and peace, along with those who call on the Lord from a pure heart.

> Put to death therefore what is earthly in you: sexual immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry.

> Treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God,

> But sexual immorality and all impurity or covetousness must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints.

> For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you abstain from sexual immorality;

> Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality,

> For we ourselves were once foolish, disobedient, led astray, slaves to various passions and pleasures, passing our days in malice and envy, hated by others and hating one another.

> But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband.

Stop with this NPC nonsense that porn is the only villain here

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759636  No.830732[Reply]

Lets settle the most pressing question of our times, is the bible the mark of the beast? I found this couple a few months ago when they started purchasing YouTube ads, they seem to think that Constantine and King James distorted the bible, but they continually use the bible when talking about Christianity.

Lets talk about schizos and objectively mentally ill people you've encountered in the christian community.

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85935d  No.830733

>>830732

Anyone who uses the "Contantine" meme when it comes to the Bible or the Church doesn't know much about Constantine. He was barely a recognizable Christian and his influence on the Church is vastly overstated. He only opened the first Council and didn't even get baptized until near his death. If it was up to him, the results of that Council would have actually been different. He was friends with Arians - especially Eusebius. He didn't want them ousted. If this guy puppeteered the direction of the Church, then why did the choose opposite result that he wanted? It doesn't follow.

I partly blame Orthodox and Catholics for holding him up as they have, since it's only played into the fears of later generations of Protestants to overstate his importance. He needs to just be forgotten.

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759636  No.830734

winnie the pooh I meant to post another image uuuh, mods could you delete?

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96d0c8  No.827166[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Let's talk about wholesome entertainment.

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26d3a9  No.830445

>>829611

except, is not a cartoon, cartoons are abominations.

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35e89d  No.830490

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Hellsing is basically about a holy war between the Roman Catholic church, British protestants and the 4th Reich. It's peak edgekino.

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9b36df  No.830538

>>830490

It's almost too bad it gets ruined by plot holes.

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96d0c8  No.830587

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Houkago Teibou Nisshi. Are you watching their fishing show?

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e222d8  No.830728

>>828146

If you let it at the first sentence it would've been a strong post.

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b3491f  No.830607[Reply]

I'm looking for more verses that call out the (((Jews))), aka pharisees, for what they are.

I know the common one; Revelation 2:9, I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

But to create a strong argument I really need more than just this one example.

I am sure, I have seen a list of them before but either didn't save it or it is lost in the mess that is my unsorted files.

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b3491f  No.830713

>>830654

>Jews aren't necessarily Pharisees and vice versa.

(((Jews))) are the the same as jews

(((Jews))) are the Pharisees

>The Church was built by Jews.

No, it wasn't.

If you are referring to Jews as in the religion.

It was built by believers in Christ, which by definition makes them Christians.

If you are referring to Jews as in a race.

You are still wrong, though, I don't not have the information at hand that proves this, since this is far outside my expertise. Though, I do know this information does exist.

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b3491f  No.830714

>>830713

>(((Jews))) are the the same as jews

*(((Jews))) are *not* the same as jews

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d2d4c0  No.830716

>>830713

True Christian and true Jew is all one Olive Tree with the same blessings and God. Paul never told you a new tree was planted. He said we were grafted into an existing tree - one that allowed us to inherit the blessings of the Christ - while the unfaithful Jews were taken out for a time. He also warned to not be smug about Jews' demise: For God will do the same to Gentiles and strip them as he did the Jews.

"Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again." - Romans 11:22-23

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a1a167  No.830722

>>830713

>If you are referring to Jews as in a race.

>You are still wrong, though, I don't not have the information at hand that proves this, since this is far outside my expertise. Though, I do know this information does exist.

Ah, well, that settles it.

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f458d9  No.830727

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>>830716

>He said we were grafted into an existing tree

And as elsewhere stated, He is the vine. Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life, and no man comes unto the Father but by him.

>one that allowed us to inherit the blessings of the Christ

And accordingly, as in Galatians 4:28, we are, as Isaac, the children of promise. And this is emphatically not the children of the bondwoman.

>while the unfaithful Jews were taken out for a time.

The unfaithful no matter what their presumed bloodline are permanently taken out. Those people were the children of the bondwoman, as Ishmael, and will not inherit the promise; except for the remnant spoken of, like Paul that were not cut off. The rest were without any respect of their persons cut off from the promises forever. There is no respect of persons with God.

>For God will do the same to Gentiles and strip them as he did the Jews.

You must mean here that the Lord will treat each individual without respect of persons. Anyone not found in Christ and not being an heir with him will be left out of the kingdom and covenant without any respect to their ancestral claims that they fabricate and advertise for themselves. Jesus was a Jew– a Ioudaios according to the Greek. The talmudists you see today are false. As the Lord said in the book of Revelation, these are they which say that they are Jews, and are not, but do lie. You shouldn't confuse them as being what they claim to be. And even if you do fall for their false claims, you shouldn't believe that this alleged ancestry will merit them any kind of salvation or covenant, in this world or the next. All those things were inherited by one Christ as Paul explains in Galatians 3:16. Read it. Learn it. Absorb that truth. The reason why all Israel shall be saved is because the unbelieving Jews are all cut off from that identity (as it says, for he "shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob," meaning they are cut off from that promise) while others were grafted into that identity by becoming children of God through Jesus Christ. And only be being his son (John Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

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7583d0  No.830653[Reply]

> I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things. Isaiah 45:7 KJV

This is a very poor rendering by the KJV.

0. The greek (κακά) or hebrew (ra) don't necessarily translate to "evil", but have broader meanings.

1. The parallelism doesn't even fit, light and dark are polar opposites, but peace and evil are not polar opposites.

2. Theologically it speaks a blasphemy, that God creates evil as such.

3. It forces us to do extra apologetics, giving atheists and non-christians ammunition, for what should be a very unproblematic verse.

While I appreciate KJV for it's beauty, I think it loses some accuracy points. The NKJV reaches a better balance, followed by the ESV second.

What are your thoughts?

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f43b0b  No.830685

>>830681

I think if this is your worst objection then you're pretty close to accepting it.

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24f7eb  No.830704

Why the need to translate the Bible at all? Plebs shouldn't even dare gaze their eyes on holy scripture because their pee brains like the translators of the kjv will twist meaning and propagate it as truth. Do not give that which is holy to the pigs. A good christian listens to his priest and follows him in wht he says. A good scholar learns all the original languages found in the bible and absorbs sacred knowledge that he pours in exegesis.

t. Orthodox.

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4304df  No.830707

The KJV is great, your objections aren't inherent to the text, they're because of antiquated definitions. That's the biggest problem with the KJV.

>Top Tier

Authorized Version 1769

New American Standard Bible

English Standard Version

>High Tier

New King James

Christian Standard Bible

New Revised Standard Version

>Mid Tier

1984 New International Version

New American Bible

>Low Tier

2011 New International Version

>Paraphrases for Children Tier

The Message

Good News Bible

Living Bible

>Honorable Mention

Open English Bible

World English Bible

1611 Authorized

>Not even a direct translation tier, do not use alone

Douay-Rheims

>>830704

Psalm 119:105

Your word is a lamp to my feet and a light to my path

Joshua 1:8

This Book of the Law shall not depart from your mouth, but you shall meditate on it day and night

Matthew 4:4

But he answered, “It is written, “‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”

>Translators will twist meanings

>Trust your priest implicitly, don't evePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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1ffb95  No.830715

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c33c92  No.830726

>>830653

Just so you know the Latin translation also reads: malum. The original Luther Bible went with "Übel" which is cognate with 'evil'. Furthermore Hebrew already has other possible terms for 'calamity' and 'woe'. Evil was the usual way of saying "bad" before 'bad' entered the English vocabulary around the 13th century and appears to have been retained in that sense in literary uses.

I think a more noticeable problem is with the rendering of Greek κακός and πονηρός and their derivatives. In my view it is κακός which should generally imply wickedness and πονηρός "badness". This would give their usage more sense.

In rendering πονηρός for example, it could go: "Thou bad servant!" rather than evil servant in Matt. 18:32.

"if thine eye be bad, thy whole body shall be dark" rather than "if thine eye be evil" in Matt. 6:23.

Regardless one will find that translations have rendered both πονηρός and κακός in an inconsistent and interchangeable manner.

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ff43d9  No.830687[Reply]

Paul says God's law is written on our hearts and in the afterlife we will judged accordingly and that got me thinking "Why would we evolve to have something spiritual written on our hearts when all natural selection cares about is having physical babies?" But just now I realized if you become a Saint (go to heaven) you probably now have the authority to guide your own living descendants to be fruitful and multiply. It's like the Chinese idea of ancestors looking out for you except only those with noble ancestors who went to heaven have the advantage of that divine assistance.

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752e57  No.830689

>>830687

>Paul says God's law is written on our hearts and in the afterlife we will judged accordingly and that got me thinking

It's also said that none do good, all have fallen short, and none seek God. The pagans will basically be condemned by their conscience…unless God redeems them.

> "Why would we evolve to have something spiritual written on our hearts when all natural selection cares about is having physical babies?"

Evolution implies there was a fall before the fall, that decay, disease and death were always prevalent. Why would God call such a situation 'good' in Genesis? It's not hard to present the ancients with evolutionary models, of animals turning into other animals, the ancient Greeks and indians already had ideas of reincarnation and perpetual change overtime. I'm sure the Hebrews would easily understand "theistic evolution" if it had any truth to it. But do you really think it's true??

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829793  No.830706

Yes, having Christian parents is beneficial to a person's reception of the gospel because of their influence.

That is something different from Paul's discussion of the law on the heart. He's saying everyone is created with a basic moral knowledge from God.

This passage is not compatible with the theory of evolution as an origin of man so I'm not sure why you're reading that into it.

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3c5faa  No.830711

>>830706

>This passage is not compatible with the theory of evolution as an origin of man so I'm not sure why you're reading that into it.

>>830706

>This passage is not compatible with the theory of evolution as an origin of man so I'm not sure why you're reading that into it.

Sadly, even Christians are indoctrinated with the evolutionary paradigm. I don't mean to insult the OP by saying that, since it's partly automatic on most people's part. We're linguistically programmed us into it. People use "evolve" for all manner of circumstances now, when that wasn't even a word until the 17th century or so.

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829793  No.830718

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>>830711

It's not an inappropriate term in the right use

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3c5faa  No.830721

>>830718

Even that use seems pretty loaded ("micro-evolution"). It's nothing more than breeding superficial traits (facial features, dog breeds, etc).

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814435  No.830632[Reply]

I am a diagnosed schizophrenic and have had religious ocd and delusions and just wanted you to take a moment and think about this. This isn't an anti christian post and I am a christian, or at least I was when I could think my own thoughts or care about God.

>Looking for "signs" of Christ's return in the sky and weather

>Looking for "signs" of God answering your prayers

>Thinking something that happened was an answer from God

>Feeling a "calling" from God to do something

>Feeling special and different than everybody else to God

>Thinking you were born with a special purpose or mission for God

>"Feeling" the presence of supernatural enteties

>Blaming your problems on demons

>Thinking that everyday things happening around the house were paranormal

>Acting like you're possessed because you think you are

>Being constantly paranoid that you're commiting blasphemey somehow like not praying the right words or not making the sign of the cross the right way, or not capitalizing the right words about God

>Realizing that you show the things I posted and go into a state of denial and come up with delusions to make you feel like this doesn't apply to you

Most people on imageboards show schizophrenic and psychotic symotoms so you should really think about these.

I also believe that most monks have religious ocd and most saints are fake and had delusions and hallucinations, and very strict priests pastors etc. who become those things because they felt called to it by God are deluded.

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814435  No.830690

>>830679

…that's what I'm saying…

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814435  No.830691

>>830684

By "special purpose" I mean delusions that you're sent from God in some way and different than everyone else like saint John

Not sure how you can blaspheme a mortal person but because of my schizophrenic congitive delcine I don't know how to take religion and sacred things seriously anymore

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9c9e19  No.830693

>>830690

Well, that's the point.

Those saints and monks aren't trusted willy-nilly.

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da34f3  No.830700

I used to have visual hallucinations sand was a diagnosed schizophrenic. A friend prayed for me and I was healed.

Most of your concerns are simply serious and that of someone who has problems with reconciling how the world works.

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0e5680  No.830712

>>830632

>Looking for "signs" of God answering your prayers

>Thinking something that happened was an answer from God

>Feeling a "calling" from God to do something

Friend, God ``does`` speak. When one starts to experience God speaking/showing/responding/guiding, it does make her feel crazy at first. But God can show again and again that the speaking/showing/responding/guiding ``is the case`` – especially by causing (time and time again) impossible, very surreal collections of events to happen. Whether the events are happening "in this world" is not necessary to mind, really; the speaking/showing/responding/guiding leads to what was spoken about/shown/guided towards. This type of thing happened in the Bible, too. For a brief list in a single chapter (that details those that saw "him who is invisible" and followed by faith), see Heb 11.

With prayer, meditation, and love, one can see God working in herself and through herself. In fact, whether you're aware of it, God has worked through you to me – at least in part and indirectly – by your post here. Thank you, friend.

>Realizing that you show the things I posted and go into a state of denial and come up with delusions to make you feel like this doesn't apply to you

I can't make you believe, friend. You certainly could have a reason to be skeptical based off of your stated medical experiences; it may be the case that not everyone needs to have God regularly speak/show/respond/guide in Bible-like ways. But there are people, myself included, that experience God in such a way.

Maybe you'll be able to experience God like this one day in a way that you'll know is different than your stated medical experiences. If you do, be wary of writing it off with "my meds need upping" or some similar response!

Take care, friend!

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