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9a6f9b  No.12034[Reply]

Welcome! This is a board for Christian discussion. Please read the rules linked above before posting.

Please keep all meta discussion in this thread.

>Now requesting volunteers. Email christchannel@pm.me

>Previous meta: >>581

>Even on a Christian board, only post on this website over tor or a trusted VPN

This board was begun as an alternative to /christian/ at a time when that board was poorly moderated. That is in the past. It does not matter anymore. Both camps have legitimate complaints about the other, but "the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone". It would be a good thing to end the dispute and not be splintered any longer.

Please, do not post on /christian/ at all

Since the migration to 8kun, there has been no moderation on /christian/. The last BO and crew publicly announced that they had no intent to return and did not want it to migrate, even saying they didn't support the very premise of a Christian anonymous imageboard. In the absence of any moderation there, this board is obviously preferable as the face of Christianity on 8kun. In this interest, we need to entirely boycott /christian/ so it drops in the list based on active ISP count.

If and when there is a new BO with fair moderation practices, we should move back to /christian/. Just for legacy's sake, it would be better to carry on into the future as one board on /christian/. Full disclosure, I requested ownership more than a month ago.

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8c943e  No.12519

>>12518

>>>/christian/826063

>It's ABSOLUTELY Roman dogma (Cantate Domino, Council of Florence) that there are zero people saved outside the Roman church

>>>/christian/813398

>You are supposed to fight heretics, and Eastern "Orthodox" are heretics. They all reject Unam Sanctam which states

<Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff.

>This is Dogma that they deny. We have to fight heresy.

This was the dominant opinion. It was even worse in the discord.

Every denominational debate thread had catholics going straight to EENS.

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7d7824  No.12189[Reply]

How could you believe when not only do you not have a single shred of evidence for your beliefs, but all the evidence we do have points against your beliefs.

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59f7c7  No.12346

>>12297

Are you familiar with any part of the New Testament? If so you'd realize that that's the dumbest possible take from the crucifixion.

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0aaee4  No.12347

>>12189

mkay boomero

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fb70c5  No.12474

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b44ba7  No.12590

>>12189

>believe

There's the mistake. Besides; God, Yahweh, Theos, Allah, is not necessarily the same. The concept of an abstract deity is a sophisticated one, and it does not immediately make sense. The Egyptians used a family of monarcs, with legions of bureaucrats to inform them. Jews emancipated themselves from that system and set up their own, only to have Christianity happen on their watch. People seem to be inclined to use idols as their source of authority. Consider this for instance: A tax collector arrives, and you say, no my landlord is not here at the moment. I'm just his servant. Clever, huh?

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d303ff  No.12593

>>12318

> Can't actually respond to the meat of the argument and instead attacks semantics.

Come back when you have an actual argument.

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bb0d72  No.6165[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Haven't seen one of these yet, to my knowledge, so here we go.

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1455ba  No.12572

>>12564

>>12567

That said, this brings up another question of mine. Are there any churches which have a greater likelihood than others of meeting fellow Kinists? It seems like the most-pozzed parishioners in every denomination are the most vocal, at least on normalfag websites, making it very hard to gauge the actual situation.

t. Leaf stranded in Canuckistan

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7a2d77  No.12575

>>12565

>He also claims porn is sometimes not a mortal sin because it can become a habit.

There is some truth to this in the catechism.

<On masturbation (2152): Conditions of anxiety, or other psychological or social factors can lesson, if even reduce to a minimum, moral culpability.

One could conclude the same with pornography, since research shows it functions very much like any other kind of addiction. I would nevertheless be very cautious about regarding it as just venial, since at least for me it often lies in a grey area, and I would leave it up to my priest to determine if it was mortal or venial in that particular circumstance. To be on the safe side I usually just confess it as a mortal sin; if it's venial, it never hurts to confess them either.

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4e1ca8  No.12584

>>6200

Your Catholic friend has the right Church, but the wrong understanding of the Bible. Every single word of the Bible was inspired by the Holy Ghost. It is infallible.

The post Luther Bibles, including KJV, have whole books cut out.

Get a copy of the Douay–Rheims Bible. It is a direct translation from the Latin Vulgate, without anything removed.

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68934e  No.12586

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>>7134

>how do you reconcile Genesis with modern scientific knowledge?

My understanding of it is Elohim cleared the land and lit a fire. It's a word for magistrate, some kond of learned person who evidently knew how to make fire on command. The same character(s) eludicated how to separate oil to make fire. It's like the earliest manual for process engineering known to man.

>cosmological argument

There was mention of the night sky being visible after clearing the land, or something to that effect, and navigating by star constellations used to be hi-tech.

>>7134

>even as an atheist,

Beware, some religious people instantly value atheists as subhuman.

>objective morality

Good thoughts, good, words, good deeds, is my foundational moral code. I'm reasonably sure Christianity is a fusion of Judaism and Zoroastrianism.

>I was baptized Anglican

I was baptised Lutheran, but backed off and signed out when the priests and scripture made no sense at all, and I was instructed to take arguments on faith. No go.

>>7511

>have two college degrees

Then you should know the Greek alphabet, and the Hebrew alphabet is not that much more difficult. Then read backwards. Da Vinchi even wrote backwards. Read the OT, maybe? All that God stuff abstracts away relevant information. Being Good is what matters to me. Don't get me wrong, I can rationalize Theos as a universal intelligence, but I think it's somewhat of a modern development.

>>9195

>general consensus

Here's my 2c: Universal priesthood is a must for Christianity. My family was named after St. Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

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dbf2d4  No.12592

>>12584

For the millionth time

The reformers did not remove any books. The RCC did not formally canonize the books in question until the counter reformation.

A more accurate statement would be that the two traditions split and then reached different conclusions about which books to recognize.

The KJV included the apocrypha, it just called it apocryphal.

Translating from a translation is by definition inferior than direct translation from the source language.

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c3e327  No.12243[Reply]

Jehovah is God Almighty, there is no other. The trinity doctrine is fake. Worshiping Jesus is blasphemy! Jesus is the only begotten son of Jehovah Almighty, he is his chief archangel and was instructed by Jehovah to create the universe but all worship and glory passes through Jesus to Jehovah and Jehovah alone!

"IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD, AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD

AND THE WORD WAS A GOD

AND THE WORD WAS A GOD

AND THE WORD WAS A GOD

AND THE WORD WAS A GOD

AND THE WORD WAS A GOD

AND THE WORD WAS A GOD

JOHN 1:1

Read the Greek it says the Word is a god which the Bible uses for angels, Jesus is not God! Trinity believers are polytheists! You worship 3 gods admit it when the Bible says there is only one true God who exists outside of all things. We worship only one true God, we are monotheists, trinity believers are polytheistic! Jesus is a creation of Jehovah and exists in a created state. Repent! Repent of your idolatry and worship Jehovah alone. Jesus will lead you to Jehovah through his loving force the Holy Spirit, but Jesus wants you to worship Jehovah and Jehovah ALONE!

“I am Jehovah your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.

YOU MUST NEVER HAVE ANY OTHER GODS BESIDES ME

YOU MUST NEVER HAVE ANY OTHER GODS BESIDES ME

YOU MUST NEVER HAVE ANY OTHER GODS BESIDES ME

YOU MUST NEVER HAVE ANY OTHER GODS BESIDES ME

DEUTERONOMY 5:6-7

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68d71a  No.12244

Matthew 2:11

And when they had come into the house, they saw the young Child with Mary His mother, and fell down and worshiped Him. And when they had opened their treasures, they presented gifts to Him: gold, frankincense, and myrrh.

What does God do when you worship an idol? He curses you, or even strikes you dead. He would not tolerate idolatry in the presence of the Messiah! Obviously. That means that the infant Jesus or His Father should have struck the Magi dead! But He does not. Same with when Saint Thomas touches His wounds, and confesses Him as God. He was worshiped even as a child–the Magi understood the prophecy of Balaam, and that it was the Prince of Peace, the Messiah. As was pointed out, Jesus ascribed to Himself the name of (Tetragram) Yahweh, He says "I AM" in multiple Gospels. Yes, even Mark. That obviously means that He claims to be co-equal with God.

Let's take something we all heard at Christmas, and break it down.

Isaiah 9:6

For unto us a Child is born (of a virgin), Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful (Judges 13 sheds light on this, it's the Angel of Yahweh, Christ in the OT - Numbers 22 clearly shows that the Angel of the LORD is Jesus, notice Balaam's language concerning Him), Counselor, Mighty God(!), Everlasting(!) Father, Prince of Peace.

As a bonus, read Saint John Chrysostom's commentary on Matthew 2:11

"They rejoiced, because their hopes were not falsified but confirmed, and because the toil of so great travel had not been undertaken in vain. By the mystery of this star they understood that the dignity of the King then born exceeded the measure of all worldly kings. “Mary His mother,” not crowned with a diadem or laying on a golden couch; but with barely one garment, not for ornament but for covering, and that such as the wife of a carpenter when abroad might have. Had they therefore come to seekan earthly king, they would have been more confounded than rejoiced, deeming their pains thrown away. But now they looked for a heavenly King; so that though they saw nought of regal state, that star’s witness sufficed them, and their eyes rejoiced to behold a despised Boy, the Spirit shewing Him to the ir hearts in all His wonderful powePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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bc15f1  No.12246

>>12243

>JOHN 1:1

>AND THE WORD WAS A GOD

I see that you don't read Greek.

<Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ Λόγος, καὶ ὁ Λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν Θεόν, καὶ Θεὸς ἦν ὁ Λόγος.

<ὁ Λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν Θεόν

The Word was with the God. Not a god.

<καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος

And God was the Word.

John equates the Word and the God. They're together and they are one.

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cb701a  No.12247

It doesn't say "the word was a God", koine Greek doesn't even have an indefinite article. That is a deliberate mistranslation only found in the JW version to enforce a doctrine after the fact.

This is a Christian board. Christianity is trinitarian. You are not a Christian, so if you want to post here do it respectfully, especially if you want to debate.

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35a0a0  No.12250

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c81284  No.12591

>>12243

>Jehovah

Is a mode of God that is inherently selfish.

> The trinity doctrine is fake

It is alightly corrupted by my estimation. The spiritus sancti can be transferred from pater to filius. Saying they are God, all three of them, only makes sense to me if you add another -o-.

>Worshiping Jesus is blasphemy!

It is certainly idolatry, but many Israelites had a tendency of reverting to it, so having him as the figurehead made things easier.

>>12243

>Jesus is the only begotten son of Jehovah Almighty, he is his chief archangel and was instructed by Jehovah to create the universe but all worship and glory passes through Jesus to Jehovah and Jehovah alone!

This statement does not make sense to me.

>Read the Greek it says the Word is a god which the Bible uses for angels

And the word angels denotes messengers.

>Jesus is not God!

No, but he was Good.

>Trinity believers are polytheists

If you are talking about Catholics, I agree! My Arian perspective only delineates the mechanism for transmission through generations.

>Repent

Oh wow..

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2ad35d  No.10334[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

I was alone in a café in Fatima drinking my Fanta when I noticed a group of Catholic preppies (5 boys and 2 girls) sitting next to me drinking beer and bantering among themselves. One of them was wearing a medallion of Our Lady and was going on and on about how the communists are ruining the Church and how the "fags" are destroying the sanctity of marriage and so on. I thought to myself:

>"Nice, a fellow Traditional Catholic who isn't afraid to call out the reprobates".

I joined them after a while and we started talking about the moral degradation of the Church, the homosexual priests, the people being pro-abortion and female ordination and so on and, at some point, I turned to them and said:

>"Fags are a danger to the Church, that's true. But we need to remind ourselves that the first phenomenon that contributed to the desacralization of the Holy Matrimony was not fags getting married but the acceptance of divorce. In my opinion, and this is backed up by the catechism of the Catholic Church, a divorced man is as much as a degenerate as a homosexual".

Then there was a strange silence and I knew I done goofed. Dude got up and punched me in the nose:

>"Who are you calling a degenerate, you FRICKing queer? Get out of here!"

I threw my Fanta at him and we scuffled a bit until one of his friends grabbed me and brought me outside. Turns out 3 of them, 2 boys and 1 girl, were divorced. I swear none of them was older than 35.

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0e0aad  No.12483

Do you know how retarded y'all sound to the NON-superstitious? Having fistfights and arguing over whose stupid irrelevant cult dogma is better? Here's a suggestion: Try reality, it's fun!

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68e0e7  No.12492

>>12483

Do you know how retarded y'all sound to the NON-materialists? Having fistfights and arguing over whose stupid irrelevant subjective morality is better. Here's a suggestion: Try history, it's fun!

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23439a  No.12501

>>10334

Seperation isn't the same as Divorce and isn't the same as remarriage

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b9da89  No.12523

>>10334

What's the issue anon? You're literally correct.

Gay marriage is barely an issue compared to divorce, in terms of offenses to the sanctity of marriage.

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9a8c68  No.12589

>>10334

John the baptist called out divorce as no good, and he was executed for it.

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800508  No.8827[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Is Mary the Theotokos (Mother of God)?

Was Mary immaculately conceived? Is she sinless?

Is Mary the Queen of Heaven?

Was Mary's body taken into heaven?

Is Mary the greatest creature of God?

Is Mary a perpetual virgin?

Did Mary not feel pain at the birth of Jesus Christ?

Is Mary the mother of Christians?

Is Mary the Mediatrix? Is she the Co-Redemptirx?

Who is Mary?

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4be75c  No.12534

>>12487

These jokes are always dead on arrival. The punchline is destroyed by the entire premise, i.e. virgin birth

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d42dfa  No.12536

Is Mary the Theotokos (Mother of God)?

No. Being the mother of God necessitates the she is prior to God, which is blasphemous.

Was Mary immaculately conceived? Is she sinless?

No and no.

Is Mary the Queen of Heaven?

No (Jer. 44)

Was Mary's body taken into heaven?

No.

Is Mary the greatest creature of God?

No.

Is Mary a perpetual virgin?

No. (Matt. 1:25)

Did Mary not feel pain at the birth of Jesus Christ?

No.

Is Mary the mother of Christians?

No.

Is Mary the Mediatrix? Is she the Co-Redemptirx?

No and no.

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6e8c07  No.12563

>>11578

You argue that Jesus was never commanded to sin by Mary.. But wouldn't that then also require MARY'S PARENTS to be sinless and never commanded for her to sin?

If not, then why does Mary need to be sinless to never command Jesus to sin?

Also: Matthew 10:

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me. He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.

You are obligated to RESIST SIN even if your parents command you to do so. "Honor your parents" does not mean "Always obey your parents".

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34cce1  No.12580

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>>12536

>No. Being the mother of God necessitates the she is prior to God, which is blasphemous.

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44d10b  No.12588

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>>8827

I think she had some help from the holy spirit.

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4318db  No.9739[Reply]

Let's have an earnest discussion on this topic, because up until now it was shut down on /christian/ every single time by the Catholic mods. How prevalent is homosexuality among the Catholic clergy, and if homosexuality and pedophilia are as common as most sources claim (+50%), then how can the Catholic church even be recognized as a valid Christian organisation? I know Catholics will claim that this is all somehow fabricated and that only <0.1% of priests are deviants, etc. pp., but here are my sources, and I can find many more:

>“You’re so attractive,” he said. “You’re in great shape and you have beautiful clothes. Come on, you must know that everyone is staring at you all the time. You know full well that every guy here including the priests and even the bishop would f*ck you if they had the chance.”

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/gay-catholic-inside-the-seminary-closet/

>But gay men probably make up at least 30 to 40 percent of the American Catholic clergy, according to dozens of estimates from gay priests themselves and researchers. Some priests say the number is closer to 75 percent. One priest in Wisconsin said he assumed every priest was gay unless he knows for a fact he is not. A priest in Florida put it this way: “A third are gay, a third are straight and a third don’t know what the hell they are.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/17/us/it-is-not-a-closet-it-is-a-cage-gay-catholic-priests-speak-out.html

>In September 2018 a report was leaked that reported that 3,677 children in Germany, mostly boys under age 13, were sexually abused by Catholic clergy members over the past seven decades". About 1,670 church workers, or 4.4% of the clergy, had been involved in the abuse which is "shocking and probably just the tip of the iceberg" according to Germany's Federal Justice Minister Katarina Barley[68]

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e247f6  No.12543

>>9754

People with strong homosexual tenancies should not become priests.

>>9756

And you call yourself a christian? Where in the church has this ever been preached? I bet you've masturbated to degenerate stuff, isn't this hypocritical?

You are being too severe, there is nothing clever or devout about this, it is harmful teaching. Be more careful about what you say, God will hold you accountable for every word.

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e247f6  No.12544

If this thread is anything to go by, then I am very disappointed in /Christianity/. You hardly seem like genuine followers of Jesus.

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6e39c9  No.12545

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>>9739

They let in a load of sodomites in seminary in the 60s and have been paying the price ever since. This is why you don't engage in modernism. Any church that drapes themselves in the rainbow flag are reprobates.

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a435bf  No.12549

>>12544

Argue against anything you disagree with. You're anonymous and we don't care about your moralizing schoolmarm take, that's the point.

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0ac274  No.12587

>>9739

I think it's safe to say it's prevalent throughout not only the Catholic church, but others as well. Islam does not attempt to enforce chastity and the current pope endorses it in place of Christianity. Letting people have a sexual outlet is far safer than generating incels and predatory priests, if you ask me. Full disclosure: Not a catholic.

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89b498  No.12566[Reply]

Is the Holy Ghost female? I know in Greek he is neuter but isn't the Holy Spirit in Aramaic feminine? Jesus spoke Aramaic so would he have used female pronouns for the Holy Ghost?

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7587e3  No.12573

>>12566

No but the holy female is a ghost.

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fe24aa  No.12576

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>>12566

>Is the Holy Ghost female? I know in Greek he is neuter but isn't the Holy Spirit in Aramaic feminine?

The Hebrew uses the feminine gender for the Spirit and for the Spirits modifiers when the He (I'm using the male pronouns out of respect and because people here and elsewhere are easily triggered) brought up in the OT, except for a passage in 1 Samuel, which probably refers to a theophonic Father or pre-incarnate Son. Since Aramaic is a carryover from Hebrew, it probably uses the same gender setup. You also have the divine figure of Wisdom in Proverbs that probably doesn't refer to the Son. Christ refers to Himself and John the Baptist as Wisdom's children in Luke and the various laws against sexual confusion are inherent to God's unchangeable character, which means the Son has to be male.

Early Jewish rabbis and some early church fathers like Irenaeus thought the Spirit had at least the Trinity's feminine qualities if not being outright female.

The Bible doesn't emphasize the sex of the Holy Spirit not because He isn't truly female, but because God knew people would do stupid stuff with such a truth like the pagan and idolatrous "Queen of Heaven" Ishtar worship done in Jeremiah's time or the feminist theology bulls— going on right now. This is the prime rib of theological meat and you shouldn't be dwelling on this issue unless you are first solid in the basic (Gospel, deity of Jesus Christ, the basics of the Trinity) and intermediary (systematics, ecclesiaology, spiritual maturity) stuff

For me personally, I think the Holy Spirit being female has great explanatory power that an all-male Trinity cannot possess, but I need to study more, especially the Hebrew language, before I choose one way or another. I wouldn't go around teaching this as Gospel truth or try to make a fuss about it since, as I said, this isn't an emphasized truth in Scripture and focusing on that would interfere on more pressing matters like the Jesus Christ, Gospel, the Law, and the Trinity as a whole.

>>12569

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0447a1  No.12577

>Does a non-corporeal, intangible spirit-being have wiener or puspuss?

the absolute state

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e7f611  No.12582

Absolutely not.

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4ad89c  No.12585

Dove is in turn feminine in Greek and in Hebrew but common gendered in Aramaic. The word for church is also feminine both in Greek and in Semitic languages, but it doesn't appear that much issue being raised with that is heard.

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3c9a41  No.11255[Reply]

How would /christianity/ solve the problem of evil? I am not a christian myself but i would like to know your answers and create fruitful argument about the matter.

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ddff10  No.12542

File: 3e2a89e24ef9cfa⋯.jpeg (14.3 KB, 195x255, 13:17, D7DE8DA6-3A32-4841-ADEC-1….jpeg)

Every renowned movie, series, video game has conflict, death, and some degree of evil. It makes them interesting and a good story. As creators, we chose to create works where evil exists or is possible. We create them for our pleasure, and not for the comfort and convenience of the characters we create.

Therefore, if we are created in God’s image, and we are creating works where evil exists or is possible, we can apply the readonong for this to God.

We, as created beings, were not created for pur own comfort and pleasure. We are created for the pleasure if God, our creator.

But, by our corrupted nature, many of us narcissisticly think all existence should conform to our own comforts and flavor-of-the-week morality. So we say “oh evil shouldn’t exist in our world” while we willingly create and engage in art that contains evil.

If we all had the ability to humble ourselves and realize we don’t have the hard disk space to comprehend all knowledge and understanding this would be such an easy question to answer.

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779db9  No.12546

File: 16b68a70fd19e8f⋯.webm (3.75 MB, 480x360, 4:3, The perfect world.webm)

>>12542

Reminds me of the "Perfect world" clip from the first Matrix film.

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ef11fd  No.12559

>>12540

What about natural disasters? Say an earthquake and 100K people dying to it crushed by rubble.

Did God cause that earthquake?

Are the effects of that "evil"? What if the rubble crushes your leg, and you die in pain of dehydration over 3 days.. Is that evil?

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930ec1  No.12561

>>12559

That's natural evil. The tragedy is a result of the fall, even though no moral agent caused it in particular.

Read Mere Christianity

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967997  No.12583

The person saying sin does not exist is not only wrong, but exceedingly dangerous. Sin, that is doing what God has forbidden through his commandments or his Church, is absolutely real. If you die in a state of mortal sin, you go to hell. If you have committed a mortal sin and have not confessed it, or been absolved through either extreme unction or the exceedingly unlikely chance of begging forgiveness, then you are in a state of mortal sin.

The question of evil is more difficult to answer. Humans are capable of committing evil, that is sin, on their own, but much of it is done at the behest/suggestion of demons. Demons roam about the earth seeking souls which they can devour. They have their own free will, though are kept on a tight leash by God. There are angels and demons all around us, though we can not see them unless God wants us to.

We do not deserve to have evil removed from the earth. Humans had the chance with Adam and Eve. It is due to their original sin that evil exists on earth. Our defense against this is to live holly lives and fight against sin through the grace of God ("Put on the armor of God"). We must believe, adore, trust and love God, which includes not breaking his rules (sin) in order to pass from this valley of tears into Heaven. We can go to confession for our own sins, but we must not do it disingenuously.

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2cc3bf  No.12578[Reply]

What is your most foundational Christian belief? I think I might have to say biblical inerrancy, but prior to that, I believe God is Logos and Logos is is revealed fully through Jesus Christ and to an extent through nature and there is a sense in which the Bible is Logos in book form. So I almost rest easy (not easy enough) thinking my biblical inerrancy comes from my Christology. I would think many Protestants would believe in Sola Scriptura on a very foundational level, but I only believe in Sola Scriptura to the extent that I don’t ~know~ if any source of doctrine, rule of faith and practice, etc other than the Bible is God breathed. That is to say, I feel like I’m straddling the line between Catholic and Protestant or even Baptist if we consider that distinct from Protestant. I am not trained in rigorous thinking and would appreciate seeing others’ answer to the first question to help refine my own beliefs. Secondarily, I hope it may even shed light on how united we are.

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661d70  No.12581

Christ is the cornerstone. The foundational belief of Christianity is the gospel.

You have to know that you're a sinner needing a savior, and that the God-man Jesus is that savior.

Scripture is how we arrive at our knowledge of God, but you can be preached the gospel and believe without ever encountering a Bible.

Sola scriptura is our belief that scripture alone is the final authority in doctrine, as opposed to our feelings or additional revelation or the decree of the pope.

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ab2330  No.12449[Reply]

Lads… should I?

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688bc8  No.12456

>WATCH ME DO A SICK GRIND ON THE FACE OF SAINT MICHAEL

No.

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7c26b2  No.12475

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ec46de  No.12553

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

Careful OP, that's a dangerous slippery slope you're about to go down.

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9196fd  No.12574

>>12475

Damn if that isn't the most humiliatingly honest thing which I'm sure Jesus would actually say.

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2c275a  No.12579

Don't listen to these naysayers, OP. You should make every part of your life as Christian as possible, and if you enjoy skateboarding, then bring a little bit of Christianity into it. Can't think of a single biblical or Christian-traditional reason not to skateboard as long as you using it as a vehicle towards immorality. And while others may see it as desecration of icons, God knows your heart, and as long as you aren't doing it because you enjoy destroying Christian artwork, rather are instead just enjoying representing Christianity while you engage in your hobby, I'm thinking the Lord will know that.

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534390  No.12493[Reply]

Has anyone heard about this? I've known about Hugh Owen and the Kolbe Center for awhile now, but I just found out about this 17 part documentary they made about the history of evolutionary theory. The first two episodes are free (just enter a fake e-mail and you can watch them) and it goes into some interesting history. I didn't know about the occult influences on Descartes and Pierre Teilhard de Chardin.

http://foundationsrestored.com/free-preview/

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53befd  No.12571

Watched the free preview and about 7 hours of lectures from them on Sensus Fidelium. Had me, and engineer who has studied some on similar topics, convinced.

I'll be buying the series at some point. If it is good I'll be trying to get it shown to the church.

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442d20  No.12558[Reply]

Hey, can somebody on here explain to me what this picture out of the Book of the Holy Trinity means and what the latin(?) text says? Also how the trinity compares with Non-Duality (advaita vedanta).

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b3d515  No.12560

Could you provide a source and more information

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442d20  No.12562

sauce: http://luna.manchester.ac.uk/luna/servlet/s/h19fi5

originally found it on some alchemist website while searching for non-duality pictures/tattoos.

also see wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buch_der_heiligen_Dreifaltigkeit

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4ef8d0  No.12207[Reply]

What would christian cyber punk life style look like?

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7f2cf4  No.12343

>>12339

what the hell are you talking about?

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e2013d  No.12382

How much cybernetic and bio/genetic modification is too much? Purely medical procedures to address injury are likely acceptable, but what of certain performance modifications for knowledge or habit control? Would you install a brain chip if it meant perfect retention of scripture and teachings? Or glandular modifications to better resist base urges and temptations? Cyber jacks to participate in virtual reality environments that enable congregations to meet and worship no matter what physical location?

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4ef8d0  No.12396

File: 88847f2da50af83⋯.webm (11.89 MB, 720x540, 4:3, lain opening.webm)

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4ddcc0  No.12479

>>12207

Like regular "cyberpunk lifestyle", only with extra ignorance and cheezy folk music.

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58d318  No.12557

I kinda hate that I am making this comparison Since I like said universe and what I am about to say may be a little dumb-ish, but probably a christian version of warhammer 40k would fit the bill. So instead of a god emperor/omnissiah, its well…. probably like an uber-pope/antichrist? Mainly since what I have heard about that evil plan kinda goes that route. Genetic warping, travel relying on some twisted faith, cyborging/ literal robo-zombification depending on if someone buys into the antichrists plan involving augmentations hard enough. Though I dont know what you are exactly asking so I will leave it at that.

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61e3ae  No.12397[Reply]

>a cop is chasing down a suspect of a crime

>suspect pulls a knife the cop points his gun at him

>suspects says there isn't enough evidence to convict him and he will just get off and hurt more people (for arguments sake lets assume this is true.)

>suspect drops the knife and agrees to go quitely

>cops shoots him

what is /christianity/'s take of this sort of scenario

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618156  No.12442

Only God can punish crimes that haven't happened yet. We aren't omniscient. Preemptive justice is not justice.

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a40e4b  No.12443

>>12442

Only God could be argued as morally right in punishing sin that hasn't happened but he is never Biblically depicted as doing so.

Follow the rabbit hole on this topic and you arrive at the hard to swallow redpill of open theism.

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2034ad  No.12470

There is ample evidence to convict the suspect of both resisting arrest and threatening an officer; neither entail capital punishment, nor does hurting a person or threatening to hurt more. The cop, on the other hand, had agreed to let the suspect go quietly, so he both killed the unarmed suspect and broke his oath.

Thus the cop is clearly in the wrong. Why would a Christian take on this scenario differ from any other?

>>12439

>The cop can't use his words in court unless he made that statement under Miranda and in the presence of his lawyer during a legal interrogation.

Miranda is irrelevant here. The suspect was armed and was not under arrest, and the cop was not interrogating the suspect.

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57f39d  No.12541

>>12397

The only thing dumber than OP's phrasing are the replies itt.

Let's distill what he really means: someone knows with basic certainty that a serial murderer will escape justice and almost definitely kill again if this person doesn't take this chance to kill them now. Is he justified, even though this would technically be illegal?

I'm gonna say yes, he's clearly justified. The laws of the nations of men exist to protect the good, not only would obeying them in this instance unambiguously accomplish the opposite, but would contradict the law of Christian charity, which supersedes it. (And yes, killing a would be murderer before he can further condemn himself is charity both to him and his would-be victims)

To dispute this is like saying you wouldn't shoot someone attacking your family if you couldn't prove in court you were justified, or worse, that you wouldn't if the law were disgustingly pacifistic and ONLY police could legally engage in violence in any circumstance (this is the pathetic trajectory the western world is on, so don't think this is so implausible). That's just cowardice.

And to all the "you can't know for sure" fags

1) The scenario is that you know he's guilty and planning further violence with maximal certainty. If you want to be totally intransigent about the supposed "unknowable" nature of human behaviour (which is nonsense), then everything else in the world is just as unknowable, better stay in bed all day, your whole life might just be an illusion.

2) He surrendered the benefit of the doubt in committing his previous murders, and execution is a perfectly proportional and just punishment for (mass) murder even if he WEREN'T going to kill again, so the risk is basically non-existent.

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3576ad  No.12550

>>12541

>Killing a man who is not engaged in violence because you feel certain he will murder in the future

This wasn't part of the scenario but I say absolutely not. You are not omniscient to have the necessary certainty to enact capital punishment. Murder and attempted murder are crimes in levitical law, general attitude predisposed toward murder or even statement of intent to murder are not. Punishments follow crimes.

>Perform an execution for a witnessed murder when you have certainty the courts will fail

Permissible maybe, not an obligation.

I agree that the state isn't given some mystical monopoly force on violence, even though Romans 13 describes a system where the responsibility to execute is given to the state and there isn't a Christian objection.

The need execute murderers as given in the noahic covenant is a blanket rule.

>He surrendered the benefit of the doubt in committing his previous murders

False confessions are common and should still be investigated because of the gravity of the punishment

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