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b4d2bc  No.40940[Reply]

[1] This board is for all Muslims who follow Qur'an and the Sunnah of the Prophet. Sunni, Shi'a, Ibadi, and all affiliated masjids are welcome to discuss and debate.

[2] This board is absolutely SFW. Use of spoilers does not excuse pornography. Links to inappropriate imagery/videos must be accompanied by a caveat and should be in context of the topic, not merely gratuitous.

[3] Do not post images of the Prophets of Allah. Those images will be deleted.

[4] Outsiders are welcome, but must be respectful. Treat this board as you would a mosque in the real world.

[5] Christian debate/discussion is welcome, but must be kept to a single general. Other threads will be locked or deleted.

[6] Declaring takfir on anyone will be considered LARPing and be deleted. Repeated offences could be met with a ban.

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[8] Calls to raid other boards or other websites will not be tolerated.

[9] The Q cult is a disease that must be eradicated. Q posts will not be tolerated.

Your ethnic nationalism/supremacy has no place here and racism will not be tolerated.

"And among His wonders is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the diversity of your tongues and colors. For in this, behold, there are messages indeed for all who are possessed of innate knowledge!" [30:22]

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e6a9ab  No.36399[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Post good sources for Islamic articles, books, audios, videos, and any quality Islamic media.

http://islamqa.info/ - Good resource for finding answers to questions from the Salafi Perspective

http://muslimcentral.com/ - Lots of Islamic audios

http://islamhouse.com/ - All kinds of Islamic media in all kinds of different languages

http://www.assabile.com/

http://quranicaudio.com/ - Different Quran Recitations

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1f6d93  No.38795

Am I banned?

(YES)
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db1795  No.11001[Reply]

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

This board is the 8chan Masjid and should be treated as such. It is a place for Muslims to gather and discuss Islam and not intended as a place where Muslims must defend themselves or their religion from outsiders. If you would not do it in a real mosque in the real world, then don't do it here.

Controversial topics of discussion are permitted, but deliberate trolling/baiting and personal attacks will not be tolerated. /pol/-like behavior can stay on /pol/.

ATTACK THE ARGUMENT, NOT THE POSTER

For the purposes of this board, and until otherwise proven absolutely haram, tasteful non-lewd images of people, nature, and animals will be allowed.

We are not for the comparison of the various world's religions. There are many, many other boards for that. Use them.

Useful Links

If you'd like to suggest links or tips for this sticky, be sure to let me know!

http://sunnah.com/ - The Hadith of the Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)

http://quran.com/ - Read and listen to Qur'an online.

http://tanzil.net/#trans/en.arberry/ - The Arberry Qur'an (not included with quran.com)

http://www.inter-islam.org/Seerah/ - Biography of the Prophet Muhammad( عليه السلام‎)

ibadi@muslim.com - Board Owner email

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0a1407  No.40850

For those of you who wish to break away from 8kun, I have established this board over on Infinity. Hopefully it will last.

http://9chan.tw/islam/

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a83f2b  No.11002[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

We need to take steps to ensure our privacy. Do not let them pull the "if you've got nothing to hide" card; that's like saying we don't need freedom of speech because "I have nothing to say." I have nothing to hide. I am not a terrorist nor am I interested in helping terrorists, but my emails and such are mine and I refuse to lay down and let the government walk all over my freedoms. So, if they want to exploit me, I'll make them work for it. So should you.

Important Tools:

http://piratebox.cc/openwrt:diy - Make as many of those as you can afford. It's like a private local cloud where information can continue to be shared.

http://prism-break.org/en/

http://www.privacytools.io/

http://emailselfdefense.fsf.org/en/

http://search.disconnect.me/

Favorite Linux distributions:

http://tails.boum.org/ - Security anywhere you go on any computer.

http://antixlinux.com/ - Non-systemd distro based on Debian. Perfect for small laptops.

http://www.kali.org/ - Offensive defense.

http://www.ubuntu.com/ - The most common and user friendly OS.

http://trisquel.info/ - Based on Ubuntu but without added software.

http://www.torproject.org/ - Not useful by itselfPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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e0688c  No.40905

>>40690

>too complex to be maintained by one person

Most of us here are pretty smart people.

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0694d7  No.41258[Reply]

I'm bored.

Are you guys members of any Islamic discords?

If so, post links please.

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fa1c7c  No.41259

See: >>41223

Gonna have to try harder than that to track us.

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0694d7  No.41260

All of you don't live in the West, right?

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093285  No.41237[Reply]

Has man finally created life (through technology)? If so, what does this mean, theologically?

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305f2d  No.41238

>>41237

>Has man finally created life (through technology)?

No.

>what does this mean, theologically?

Nothing.

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7c5131  No.41240

No not even close, nor will it happen.

We don't even understand consciousness or have powerful enough computers. You can never create life, since we don't know what the spark of life is, if you give them the materials for a cell, they wont be able to make one, if you give them a prebuilt cell, they wont be able to spark life into it.

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220e92  No.41250

it is a mere sci-fi fantasy, i mean sure it could be complex but it isn't sentient or has a soul

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e7b519  No.41257

Oh look, /fringe/ came back and suddenly we have a (thinly disguised) transhumanism thread on /islam/ again.

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d022f3  No.19586[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Questions That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread:

Post all such questions here. I'll start with a few of my own.

As a non-Muslim (non-religious period) I wonder about the notion that God (Allah) "wants" things from us. "Wanting" to me feels like it implies a kind of inferior state, as though one was lacking something. Does Allah "want" things from mankind? To follow certain rules perhaps? Or is it not a matter of "wanting" but something else?

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c84551  No.41245

>>41243

Goalpost Status: Moved

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56da6e  No.41246

>>41245

In what language do you recite quran during salat?

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a0abc2  No.41248

>>41236

What do you mean precise though. God is the same as Allah in arabic, Allah just means "The God", singular, just as "God" in english. Arab Christians call god "Allah" too, same with other religions that have similar language.

>>41245

Its pretty important to recite Quran and Duas in arabic though during salah for preservation, things can often be "lost in translation", interpreted differently, etc., when translated to a different language, thats why theres many different translations of the Quran because sometimes the english language can't express things exactly which are written in arabic. Its also why we say the Bible is corrupted, we don't have the original in the original language it was revealed in, many of the translations like the King James Bible they translated in certain ways to establish and emphasize Jesus's god-like divinity, to reinforce their concept of the trinity.

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56da6e  No.41252

>>41248

Watch the video

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6f2cb2  No.41256

>>41248

>important to recite Quran and Duas in arabic though during salah

>during salah

Exactly. But injecting "inshallah" into every day conversation isn't "during salah".

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221320  No.41247[Reply]

>Mohammed Hijab

>Ali Dawah

>Shamsi

>Hamza Tzortzis

All of these guys have helped me get a better understanding of the deen, but I've only been seeing biased comments supporting them on their videos, so I wanna know if theres stuff in their views I should watch out for. Also I know theres some type of drama between the general speakers corner dawah groups and the salafi ones like shamsi, people calling SPUBS a cult, idk why, i don't really understand the distinction between salafis and mainstream sunnis really to be honest, i'd appreciate if someone could explain that too.

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724bd5  No.41253

> I've only been seeing biased comments supporting them on their videos, so I wanna know if theres stuff in their views I should watch out for.

May Allah swt bless you and increase you in knowledge, this intellectually honest attitude is very rare.

SPUBs is a madkhali cult they are not sunni. Madkhalis are saudi salafis who shill for saudi arabia and other arab tyrants. They are in fact kufar since they believe dismantling the shariah is a minor kufr. But it's a major kufr. Among other things such as supporting USA, UK invasions, because they support anything saudi does, since they consider them legitimate rulers who should be obeyed.

Rulers should be obeyed, but only in matters that dont contradict the shariah, and these puppets are not legitimate rulers.

As for ali dawah and others, they are usually ikhwani, muslim brotherhood cultists, they believe in democracy and that makes them kuffar. I know ali openly stated his kufr, but im not sure about the other 3 you named.

Essentially this beef is between 2 cults, ikhwanis and madkhalis.

Muslim brotherhood vs saudi shills

We see this in the middle east as well, what with the Saudi UAE egypt v Turkey qatar cold war

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724bd5  No.41254

>>41253

I will also add that salafism is not a sect but a methodology, it was not invented by Muhammad ibn abdul Wahab, who is a valid hanbali scholar.

But it's actually just aiming to follow the first 3 generations of islam, which are called the salaf. All the 4 imams we're from the salaf generations, so technically all sunnis are following the salafist methodology.

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724bd5  No.41255

Surah Al-Waqi'a (The Event) 56:10-14

But the foremost shall be [they who in life were] the foremost [in faith and good works]:

they who were [always] drawn close unto God

In gardens of bliss [will they dwell] -

a good many of those of olden times,

but [only] a few of later times.

Narrated `Abdullah:

The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "The best people are those of my generation, and then those who will come after them (the next generation), and then those who will come after them (i.e. the next generation), and then after them, there will come people whose witness will precede their oaths, and whose oaths will precede their witness." Sahih al-Bukhari 6429

So hold fast to my Sunnah and the Sunnah of the Rightly-Guided Caliphs who will come after me. Adhere to them and hold fast to them. Beware of Bid'ah (in religion) because every Bid'ah is a misguidance." [Abu Da wud and At-Tirmidhi] Book 2, Hadith 22

>>41254

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cfab60  No.41144[Reply]

So in this day an age with the increase of globalization, increase of communication, networking, more access to information and people, theres more opportunity to learn about Islam, Islam can reach a lot more people, but at the same time theres a lot more propaganda, a lot more people trying to skew the words of Allah, to create tension with and within the Muslim community. Theres also a lot more access to haram and temptations. But at the same times theres more reminders to Muslims to stay on the path of Islam.

Heres also another thing to think about, we have examples of degenerate societies in the west, not only that but they do studies on themselves which end up exposing the negative effects of their ideals which go against Islam. Of course the main reason we are Muslims are not the rulings specifically but because we believe in Allah and his messenger, also that these results may not be the reasons why Allah gave his rulings and we can only guess the wisdom, but these insights I think really aid in convincing many Muslims.

>Why is homosexuality wrong?

increased mental illness comorbidity, STDs, etc.

>Why is sleeping around wrong?

more promiscuous people less likely to stay in committed relationship, increased STDs, increased single mothers, children without fathers are worse off in life

>why are alcohol and intoxicants haram?

drug abuse, poisoning, addiction affecting other lives, increased crime, pressure on health system/community

>why can a Muslim man marry Christian or Jewish women, but women can't?

women and children more likely to conform to mans beliefs and views

>why can a man have multiple wives, but women can't have multiple husbands?

studies show biological evidence indicate humans are moderately polygynous

>why do we need religion?

Religious people live happier lives

Just a hundred years ago if we were asked why these rules were in place we would only be able to give the reason is 'because Allah said so'Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

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704aff  No.41206

>>41163

He (SWT) says we aren't forbidden from being kind to them. It doesn't mean we're forbidden from fighting them, and further iterates who we are forbidden from being kind to.

Seems blasphemous to imply we need context to understand the Quran because it would imply it's not perfect. What do you say to this?

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0278f9  No.41211

>>41185

Satan didn't do that, he is weak and can't do anything. We did it ourselves.

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bb0ef2  No.41212

>>41211

The demons among man and jinn.

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cfab60  No.41226

>>41206

>It doesn't mean we're forbidden from fighting them

we ARE forbidden from fighting them UNLESS they attack us, then we defend ourselves and fight

>Seems blasphemous to imply we need context to understand the Quran because it would imply it's not perfect. What do you say to this?

The context is literally in the Quran, just a few verses before the one you cited (I just explained this).

As Muslims we know that the Quran doesn't explain everything, only explains everything you need to know to guide you, does this mean its not perfect? No of course not. The Quran is NOT a science book or a history book, even though it talks about science and history, if it was it could have been an endless book, its the literal word of Allah (SWT), a guide for humanity. As Muslims we also acknowledge the teachings of the Prophet (SAW) in the Hadith, even though there are fabrications, without it we would not know many things like how to pray, unless you're part of these other branches like Quranists who reject hadith.

The Quran has been revealed in a way so that any able minded person can understand its message if they read it properly, yet it can still bring about some of the most complex philosophical discussions of all time. Scholars agree that there are verses that are for taking its literal meaning, and those that are not so literal that never had an intention of full explanation, and scholars can determine which verses are which. Like for verses with clear messages in Quran you'll often find those themes repeated, like for the one you cited we know the context is when they were attacked, then theres the other verse I quoted about acting justly to everyone even non muslims unless they fight you, then theres the other verse that say that if you kill an innocent its as if you killed all of humanity, the theme is common so just citing one verse to justify your acts is wrong. This is how Tafsirs are written too, using other parts of the Quran to establish what the meaning is, the Quran still takes precedence over any other words, but also add in commentary from hadith to give more insight, written by schPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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bb0ef2  No.41251

>>41226

>we ARE forbidden from fighting them UNLESS they attack us, then we defend ourselves and fight

That's only for defensive jihad, which is what he's arguing I think, given that muslims are being fought.

Once you have enough strength you must do offensive jihad to eliminate shirk on earth like the prophet Sulayman did (pbuh)

We can see he pbuh actually sends birds to bring him news, hes seeking out the idolaters, he was not isolationist, he did not respect their sun worship, but told them to cease and submit to Islam and him, as the caliph of Allah swt on earth it was his right. Moderists would call him a terrorist if he pbuh lived today.

Surah Al naml 27:20-37

And he took attendance of the birds and said, "Why do I not see the hoopoe - or is he among the absent?

I will surely punish him with a severe punishment or slaughter him unless he brings me clear authorization."

But the hoopoe stayed not long and said, "I have encompassed [in knowledge] that which you have not encompassed, and I have come to you from Sheba with certain news.

Indeed, I found [there] a woman ruling them, and she has been given of all things, and she has a great throne.

I found her and her people prostrating to the sun instead of Allah, and Satan has made their deeds pleasing to them and averted them from [His] way, so they are not guided,

[And] so they do not prostrate to Allah, who brings forth what is hidden within the heavens and the earth and knows what you conceal and what you declare -

Allah - there is no deity except Him, Lord of the Great Throne."

[Solomon] said, "We will see whether you were truthful oPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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63e020  No.41051[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Imam Malik said that if a person resides in an Islamic land, an Islamic state, and Islamic Khilafah, however in this particular land, many corruptions are found and he is unable to change it, and he isa able to travel to another (Islamic) land which condemns corruption, then this is obligatory upon him!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWFTYtBmulU

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63e020  No.41230

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From the justice of Islam is that the severity of a crime is not lessened by the number of people who commit it. If a group conspires to do an evil, all bear equal responsibility, is in the example of the story of Umar ibn Khattab (radhi Allahu anhu), when he carried out the hadd on a group of men in Yemen who had conspired to commit a murder.

This has interesting implications when it comes to warfare. Modern, industrial war machines are only enabled by elaborate bureaucracies and taxation bases. Also, travel has now become easier than ever, which lessens the threshold for which tax payers can claim that they have no choice but to pay taxes to a state that is at war with Muslims.

Furthermore, even in a state like America, it is very possible to avoid paying taxes, but it requires living a very simple life (less than $11,000 USD per year). This basically means being homeless or sharing a very small house or apartment with many people. But you can still live and pray.

But what this means is that even those Muslims who are not able to leave the society which is at war with Muslims are still not obligated to support the war effort financially. It will not threaten their life or their religion to do so, although it would mean being looked down upon by the society.

But this social pressure is part of how the entire establishment is upheld. And I don't think having people look down on you or make fun of you qualifies as compulsion in sharia.

Tax rates today are MUCH higher than in the past, when you consider economic activities that were once non-monetized are now monetized. Food preparation, medical care, child care, textiles production, and many other activities which were once contained with in the household are now taxed, in addition to income tax, making the taxation rate much higher than was once the case. State bureaucracies are also much more deeply involved in ideological warfare on the level of aqeeda through education systems and humanitarian programs.

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4cc0f5  No.41232

>>41227

Yeah but it shows the argument

>but muh ulama said X

is batil, since majority isn't evidence, neither are palace scholars and dogs of dictators.

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4cc0f5  No.41233

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>41230

Won't the state forces shoot / arrest those who don't pay taxes? The IRS is ruthless. What about muslims who leech welfare? And those who pay taxes are murtadin?

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caeef4  No.41244

>>41230

Living in the west, one can not just up and leave and be able to easily immigrate to a Muslim majority country. There are restrictions from doing it, and it would be deliberately putting ones family into poverty. It’s not like there is anywhere on earth that is practicing Sharia Law, even Saudi Arabia. Everywhere is darl ul kufr. If you go around publicly in the United States or Europe saying that you want Sharia Law implemented immediately, nothing will happen to you. If you do the same thing in certain Muslim majority countries you will be imprisoned for a very long time.

I personally have elderly parents in the US who are still Christians (may Allah guide them). Taking care of one’s parents when they reach old age is strongly emphasized in Islam. There are even hadith that talk about a man that wanted to go for jihad and the Prophet PBUH told him to take care of his elderly mother instead.

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5bfff8  No.41249

>>41244

>Sharia Law

Its just "Sharia" brother, sharia already means "Islamic Law", you're basically saying "Islamic Law Law", lol

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d7575f  No.27194[Reply]

I'm a new white Muslim working in Saudi. Converted before I came here. Sometimes when I pray, all I can think about is sex, fighting, problems at work, or something else. In a way, I think this is good, kinda like when you treat a wound and all the bad stuff (pus, dead skin) comes out. Is this normal? What do you guys recommend? What do you guys think about when you pray? Does it come natural or is it a conscious effort? Do you have anything else you can say/teach to me?

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2a1bdf  No.27420

Start meditating(even though prayer itself can fulfill that need, but it won't fulfill it for you if you don't think of it that way), that will help you focus on your prayers and be more mindful in general.

Intent and mindfulness are very important in Islam (and Judaism for that matter) whenever you're doing something for Allah (and in the perfect model for humanity, everything we do should ultimately be for God).

So yes, for those reasons, it's absolutely imperative for you to find a fix for this, and to have only God in your soul's heart while praying.

HOWEVER, you should also not overly-stress about it or blame yourself for this. This is a natural manifestation of our animalistic and egotistic nature that we all, without exception, possess; the only thing you can do this to this lower part of your self (nafs) is to tame it, and you can only tame it through repetition and perseverance.

Be mindful of your thoughts, and try to steer them back to the straight-path whenever you can, but don't be too hard on yourself or you'll simply give up from being overwhelmed; build the habit little by little, and don't give the action much thought, until it becomes a reflect.

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2a1bdf  No.27421

>>27226

Consistent prayer, even if routine, is still infinitely better for your soul (not even talking about the day of judgement, just here in this current life you're leading) than non-prayer; but obviously mindful prayer is also infinitely superior to algorithmic routine prayer.

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8f7669  No.27430

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a1750d  No.27437

[experience]: I had the same problem, when I pray I get very distracted, I would remember everything I've forgotten, in the middle of praying I would figure out the solution to every problem I've been facing, as if '`someone`' is distracting me, and after I go back to it I forget the solution again.. Weird right?, I can figure out the solution to whatever situation I've been trying to solve for a long time in the middle of my prayers, which sets me astray for a while

[mentality]: now I like to think of praying as a connection with Allah, who is looking down at you(as a great king) listening to you, I don't rush the words out of my mouth, I don't slow them down instead I focus on what they mean, trying to speak from my heart, not just as in praying and be done with it, but meet, thank, greet and ask Allah who has blessed me with so much, I would hate to be a hypocrite or a liar to my god I cannot guarantee if I can end this prayer alive, I would be doomed to meet my maker as a pretender

[say]: standing, "I seek protection in Allah from the accursed satan", then, "in the name of Allah the most beneficent, the merciful", bowing, "Oh God, I mean your obedience and good worship, Allah who you guide cannot be mislead and who you mislead cannot be guided, Glory Alrahman, my god write me with who you guide", "my maker for you I bow'd and in you I believe'd and for you I submit, my face bows for his creator, who enabled me to hear and see, Glory you I've wronged myself, guide me and have mercy on me you are the most merciful of all", "Glory you write me with those who are blessed to see your face I submit myself to you, my god I worship you without seeing you, but I know you see me, I bow to you alone, I ask you to reward me the greatest reward (seeing your holy face)"

[remember]: this is my experience, talk from your heart, when you're bowing on the ground you're closest to Allah

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c4febd  No.41228

Good information bumping from the last page

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0e9bf1  No.41219[Reply]

As-salamu alaykum bros.

8chan is slowly dying, especially the islam board, so why not join this actual based discord made by a cool Magrebi guy?

Purpose of this server(from his about page):

>The main goal in making this server is to create a long lasting community for people to 🤬post together, share interesting things, gain knowledge and make/hang out with friends online. It is directed primarily at a Muslim populus but it is open to all, even if you are non-muslim. I have also made it a goal to make this server an open server where mods and admin's dont abuse their power and members have a say in the direction it goes (considering they will be the ones reaping the benefits of this server). Some may question why i put so much work into this, i have done so because i want this server to last long (I also have a habit of overdoing things, lol). You may know me as @carthaginian.jihadi on instagram. Wherever you come from, enjoy your time here and read the rules carefully.

Here's the invite:http://fbi.gov/rSDucZy

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0e9bf1  No.41220

Here's his actual invite idk what happened:

http://fbi.gov/rSDucZy

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0e9bf1  No.41221

Alright, its on discord, but they replaced it with fbi, so it would be discord .gg / rSDucZy

I'm actually serious, this is a great place to 🤬post and discuss islam don't overlook it.

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309923  No.41222

We don't use your honeypot, fed. We have our own means of communication that doesn't allow the FBI to watch us.

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147141  No.41223

File: 7e44c95d4da7093⋯.png (21.48 KB, 550x293, 550:293, lol_no.png)

Discord does not allow the use of a VPN. We do not use it.

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40430e  No.41214[Reply]

Salaam,

Do I need a scholar to transmit to me the meaning of the Quran or can I pick it up and understand it without being misled?

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0060e2  No.41216

Just read it. If you don't understand some part and want to know more about it, look it up in the Tafsir Ibn Kathir. It is all online.

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4a058d  No.41218

>>41214

It's very simple and straight forward, purposefully so. Sometimes people make errors in translation, but you can read more than one translation in order to help better understand it.

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4642e0  No.40248[Reply]

Why would you guys believe in it ?? i simply cannot swallow the concept of hell!

why some people deserve hell for nothing , for simply refusing to believe in allah ??

why would an infinite being punish people for disagreeing with him??

is that even rational ??

i am afraid of hell to be honest, i see no one deserving it, even hitler.

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521f9e  No.40766

The crime fits the one who it's being committed against.

Think of insulting a king you get your head cut off, but a commoner, maybe a punch.

Allah swt says in the quran shirk is the greatest oppression.

You are going against nature & the universe, the entire system of creation, by not recognizing Allah swt as He ought to be recognized.

What people need to understand is that their ego's are irrelevant and only Allah swt is the "center of everything" so to speak, the most important entity, not you or me, but Him swt, and that's hard for some ppl to accept.

I know it's scary but it's something we have to cope with and try our best.

“Allah, the Glorified, says: ‘Pride is My cloak and greatness My robe, and whoever competes with Me with regard to either of them, I shall throw him into Hell.’”

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89d129  No.40773

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check this out dude>>40253

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6173e7  No.40950

>>40248

>Ignoring the one purpose that you were put on this earth for

>C'mon guys its just tiny thing

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e1eda2  No.40983

>>40299

based

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50cc16  No.41205

>>40248

You can say you are afraid of hell all you want, but can you say ashadu an la ilaha illah allah muhammadun rasool allah?

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99e9bc  No.40980[Reply]

Should we advertise this board to other places? Im pretty sure theres a lot of people that don't know 8ch came back up a while a go.

But at the same time it might bring in a different crowd of people, changing the tone of this place, that a lot of us may not like.

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99e9bc  No.41102

>>41083

Its not, I agree with the other brother, its different to the democratic definition of election, with Caliphs the decision is made by a group of experts on the matter of Sharia, not the population with no knowledge on the topic like with democracy

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18fd90  No.41103

>>41102

>>41080

Who selects/elects these councils and scholars?

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563910  No.41108

>>41103

It can be the current caliph himself, like in the case of Abu Bakr (ra) selecting Umar (ra), or by conquest like the abbasids. These scholars would have to be experts in their field and warriors with jihad experience, they must have knowledge, can't have bad character, be liars, done any major sin in the past. And if the ummah is scattered, it is enough for a few muslims to pledge to a scholar and it is compulsory on the rest of the ummah, to preserve unity. In the end the scholars & the caliph are held accountable to shariah, if they disobey it they face the consequences equally as a peasant. Honest scholars are few and not much known, but they exist.

So it's the complete opposite to liberal democracy, since the muslims cannot change or add in shariah law.

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2566bc  No.41126

>>41083

>muh Wahhabis

Salafis live in your head rent free. Is it really so bothersome to advocate a return to the true foundations of Islam and to follow the Sunnah?

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5f801a  No.41198

>>41126

It's a concept that some people can't grasp. I know a lot of people who came to Islam through Sufi teachings and figured Islam was more a spiritual awakening and less of a physical journey. While I realize that there is no wrong way to come to Islam, the people who show up at the mosque with the "hippie watered down" version in their heads are often shocked by how it really works and leave immediately. And, no, that's not a slam against Sufism or the Sufi scholars and teachers, but people in the west don't seem to realize that you can't just be Sufi - that it's not a branch of Islam - and when you try to explain it to them, they can't wrap their heads around it and return to their familiar Christian churches.

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