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 No.14237[Reply]

Time for some fun.

Roll for your /lit/ waifu

You may roll again, but only if you post a quote from the literary lady you were previously assigned.

ALSO – female writer thread.

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 No.15370

rollin'

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 No.15438

I love you M

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 No.15439

Roll

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 No.15899

>>14238

Might as well read some bitches

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 No.16107

>>14237

rolll

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 No.14260[Reply]

>book is written by two authors

"Shadowrun" was tolerable but "the financial diaries" is garbage.

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 No.14247[Reply]

I'm writing scifi. Well trying to, I've run into a bit of a rut. So do you have any ideas? What do you all hate/love within a scifi novel? What are some good examples?

>pic related: the greatest story of all time

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 No.14248

>>14247

Probably a good idea to establish first what kind of sci-fi story you're writing, starting with whether you're writing hard sci-fi or soft sci-fi.

Hard sci-fi = Pure autistic art, as you remain as close and detailed to reality or what may be realistic expectations for future developments in technology as possible.

Soft sci-fi = You're not too bothered about scientific accuracy and just want to see how people respond to something hypothetical, without regard to whether such a thing is possible.

If normal literary muses have not yielded you success thus far, I'd recommend reading the manual for Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri. The autists who made that vidya actually include some of their notes on how they planned their sci-fi narrative, in addition to a reading list of various science-fiction books which inspired them to make Alpha Centauri, especially when it comes to trying to explain to your audience technologies which do not exist in a plausible manner.

Also with regards to my own personal preference, the only thing that really peeves me with sci-fi is when authors feel compelled to include psychics and wizards, throwing magic against material matter whilst everything else remains consistent. I don't mean Lovecraftian sci-fi, where the reality-fuckery is consistent with the established concept that the reality-fuckery is not breaking the laws of reality, but merely the main character observing an area of time and space with different laws of reality than that which they are accustomed to.

I mean stuff like Star Wars where space wizards run around flying like superman, just because. It's just distracting to me.

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 No.14249

This question is awfully vague. What is this sci-fi that as a term should instantly describe your apparently non-existent work accurately enough for someone to provide useful advice on the specifics? Unless you only count the most autistic manuals of near-future speculative engineering, sci-fi quickly becomes a close to meaningless designation for some nebulous flavour of (possibly futuristic) fantasy, which nevertheless inspire obsessed nerds to fling shit on what variety of implausible plot devices are sciencey enough to count.

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 No.14063[Reply]

Out of pure curiosity, how many of you read fanfiction? Do you consider it real literature, and what's your ratio of fanfiction to published works that you consume?

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 No.14162

>>14141

>I warrant we have LOST more good fiction to scroll-rot and effective censorship by medieval taste than we have retained

I don't about that. The best stuff usually got copied over and over because of how popular it was and if writings like the Decameron or the popularity of Ovid in the middle ages are anything to go by, medieval people tolerated quite a bit.

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 No.14163

>>14162

>The best works survive

No, they don't huge chunks of Livy's History was lost because there was no interest in it, and it is one of the greatest works on Roman history, perhaps the greatest had the entirety survived.

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 No.14165

>>14163

That's not fiction though. >>14141 was talking about fictional works. From what's referenced contemporary writings, most of the significant works of fiction have survived.

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 No.14230

>>14063

It's a good way to trick yourself into practicing, especially when starting out. Even a fat fuck is going to improve by walking around the block, and the nature of it is especially useful for getting younger people into writing. >>14141 is pretty much hitting the nail on the head with the 'real literature' remark.

The important thing is to point them towards the best ways to improve their craft, especially when they're still able to dedicate time towards it.

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 No.14234

>>14165

>That's not fiction though

Even if that were true, my criticism still applies because we don't know if the best fiction did survive because it's not here anymore; we merely assume that the best works survived, but only one complete tragedy minus its satyr play does survive. A number of tragedies by the three great tragedians have not survived. Hell, Aristophanes consistently got second place, so where are the winning comedies? Sorry for the delay in replying, I got busy and forgot which thread this was being discussed in.

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 No.13541[Reply]

Just got it for free on Amazon, wtf

Kindle is great

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 No.13542

I meant Critique of Pure Reason

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 No.14222

kindle is amazon

amazon is cancer

don't give them your money

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 No.14224

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 No.13836[Reply]

SWEET PRINCE

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 No.13838

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>>13836

., αλιχε ιν ωονΔερλανΔ ανΔ λιλ'ρεΔ ριΔινγ ηυΔ αρε θε σαμε στορυ , οφ ηοω ΔρυιΔσ γοτ εφερυονε ανγρυ , αβουτ γιαντ ανιμαλσ , ανΔ λοστ γενιταλ χοντρολσ , Δυε το ανγρυ ανιμαλσ , λιΧε οωλσ , θατ ηαΔ το λανΔ αωαυ φρομ θε συνλιγητ , το εατ βεηριεσ φορ φυλι σμαρτσ , ανΔ θισ ισ νο χοστ ινφορματιον , θε βυΧ οφ γαλαχιανσ ισ ψαρτ οφ θε στορυ , σαφε θε βιβλε , θε Δελτα-Διφινιτιστσ αρε α ψαρτ οφ θε λεαΔ , θανΧσ θρουγη ΘανΧσ βε το θε Διφινε ινφινιτε υνιτυ , θε Διφινιτυ , Θε Δελτα-Διφινιτυ ,.

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 No.14221

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bump

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 No.14286

>>13838

>2018

>using bing

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 No.14210[Reply]

Lat's say Agatha Christie? Should I read all the gazillions books of her or should I read top three or five and be done. If I do this for all famous authors, am I going to miss something? I seriously cannot devote a lot of time to read everything a person has written.

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 No.14211

Nobody is going to give you a gold star even if you fulfill the requirements of an imaginary reading list. Read what ever you like. You won't have the time to read all the books worth reading anyway.

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 No.14212

>Is it worth reading non-famous books of famous authors?

Yes, if you happen to really enjoy that author's style, subject matter, thinking, whatever.

No, otherwise. You'll be bored and disappointed.

>I seriously cannot devote a lot of time to read everything a person has written.

This pretty much answers it.

Helpful suggestion. If you happen to have a favorite author who also writes essays about other authors, then you have a ready made guide for what to pick and choose.

In earlier days, when I was young, I could devote myself to a single author almost continuously. Now, I find I am easily bored—the choice is to jump around or cease reading altogether. That said, I may still get through a very high percentage of an author's total output over the course of several years, all the while jumping all around among other authors.

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 No.12779[Reply]

Got any recommendations for some science fiction short novels that directly or indirectly portray philosophies like Nationalism, National Socialism, Fascism et cetera under a positive light?

Bonus points if the novels were written before or during WWII, and especially if they were written by an author who had first-hand experience with the various Nationalist nations and parties in Europe during that time.

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 No.12781

>>12780

Yeah, I'm looking for something similar, I suppose.

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 No.12783

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>>12780

>Anything from Heinlein

>Fascist

>National Socialist

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 No.12832

>>12780

Starship Troopers was supposed to be a book about patriotism from what I heard, but it got turned full natsoc when the movie came out and Heinlein would have hated it had he been alive to see it.

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 No.14189

>>12779

Warhammer 40K novels, kind of.

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 No.14196

>>12779

Reading The Turner Diaries right now. It's political fiction about when the Jew government comes for the guns of white people which sparks a race war. It's exactly what you're looking for, faggot.

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 No.14185[Reply]

(I'm going to post this on /film/ too because it's equally applicable there)

When someone creates a great work of art, how much of it is through rational thought processes, and how much of it is simply due to instinct; emotion?

I should begin by saying that I am, or rather was, firmly of the belief that it is an unconscious (I shan't go as far as to say spiritual) force that drives successful works. However, of the people that I have discussed this with, the majority seem to believe the opposite—that it is, at least in part, a methodical process. Not to say that it is in any way clinical or formulaic, but that the artist is fully aware of what they are doing and why.

Having read more analyses of famous authors and directors I think I understand why this view is common; if it is possible to dissect a work of art from merely having read/seen it, it isn't difficult to imagine that the person who actually made the damn thing knew exactly what they were doing. However, I still cannot shake the feeling that inspection of this kind simply describes why a piece works, and not necessarily the thought process of the creator.

Are there any authors/directors/whatever who have talked about this? The closest I have come to is Tarkovsky's comments on symbolism, but even that isn't really what I'm talking about. (funnily enough I love Tarkovsky's films. If I wanted to be a big homo I'd say they speak to me)

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 No.14159[Reply]

I need help remembering a Celine quote. It was something about how modern progressive society is based on nothing but false flattery whereas the Church used to force people to confront how depraved they were. Anybody know the one?

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 No.14160

Pretty much ever novel he has done, ever. There was more than one you know.

More specifically, might sound something like this:

"Since the end of the period of belief, leaders exalt every defect, every kind of sadism, and gain all the more through their vices: vanity, ambition, war, death in a word."

Céline's anti-semetic streak was crystal sharp, and well known now. Beyond all that he was an equal opportunity satirist. He might fly with the more flexible alt-right crew, but his omni-satirical bent makes him too much an ambiguous degenerate for proper /pol/-tier quote mining; fair warning. I beg your pardon if that is not the case here, although it is an understandable assumption given where we are.

Someone should scan-and-post his Paris Review interview. Stalingrad was The End, in case you did not know. I would have loved to sit down to dinner with him to discuss literary theory. Then move on to history, after a few dozen beers. All on my own tab, and it would have been worth every penny.

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 No.14115[Reply]

I decided to get started on it.

I picked Aenid, Odyssey, Iliad aswell as Meditations and put them on my queue for reading.

Because these ancient books have a million english translations, I'd like to know if there's as best one around and where to get it.

I'd also like to know a good place on the internet to get books from, I only have access to a tiny school library, a bunch of weebshit sites/trackers for my LNs, a local government site that doesn't have many books and project gutenberg. I already don't like project gutenberg, because they love to add their shitty OC DONUT STEEL notices to the beginning and end of every book and the EPUBs are of poor quality.

So if someone could hand me that information it would be nice. I didn't have a picture to post so have Chaika.

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 No.14130

>>14121

>too much British slang

Do you mean actual slang or british word choices?

Are you saying they refer to trash cans as rubbish bins, or that the entire thing is written in scottish english?

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 No.14131

>>14115

libgen.io, libgen.pw, b-ok.org and archive.org should have everything you're looking for, but I don't know if they have the exact translations you want.

>>14118

Are the Penguin translations any good?

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 No.14133

>>14130

Word choices.

I read Fathers and Sons by them and every time one of Bazarov's lines came up he ended it with "Mate." I fucking cringed at the word everytime it came up especially when he used it more and more as the book went on, I never envisioned him as the type of Brit fuckboy to use terminology like that in Russia of all places I had to re read the line outloud and replace "Mate" with "Comrade." because it was a better alternative.

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 No.14154

>>14131

I thought their translation of Thucydides' Peloponnesian War was good, although it referred to Hobbes' translation.

>>14133

That sounds terrible.

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 No.14158

>>14154

It was

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 No.13036[Reply]

Any good books on traditional femininity and gender roles?

Catholic/Orthodox or esoteric traditionalist perspectives preferred.

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 No.13543

there are some platonic discourses on beauty, if I'm not mistaken

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 No.14088

These might be helpful:

- Family and Civilization - Carle C. Zimmerman

- Manliness - Harvey C. Mansfield

- Sex and Deviance - Guillaume Faye

- Sex Scandal: The Drive to Abolish Male and Female - Ashley McGuire

- Goddesses: Mysteries of the Feminine Divine - Joseph Campbell

- Domestic Tranquility: A Brief Against Feminism - F. Carolyn Graglia

- The Privileged Sex - Martin van Creveld

- The Privilege of Being a Woman - Alice von Hildebrand

- Aspects of the Masculine - Carl Jung

- Aspects of the Feminine - Carl Jung

- Sex Differences: A Land of Confusion - Zachary Elliott

- Taking Sex Differences Seriously - Dr. Steven E. Rhoads

- Women vs. Feminism: Why We All Need Liberating from the Gender Wars - Joanna Williams

- Sexual Utopia in Power: The Feminist Revolt Against Civilization - F. Roger Devlin

- Eros and the Mysteries of Love: The Metaphysics of Sex - Julius Evola

- The Subversive Family: An Alternative History of Love and Marriage - Ferdinand Mount

- The Flipside of Feminism: What Conservative Women Know - and Men Can’t Say - Suzanne Venker

- What to Expect When No One’s Expecting: America’s Coming Demographic Disaster - Jonathan V. Last

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 No.14089

>>13540

now this is what I call edgy

btw The Kreutzer Sonata by Tolstoy????

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 No.14146

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>>14088

>god tier digits

>god tier reading list

Awesome. Which do you particularly recommend ?

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 No.14147

>>14146

*which one

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 No.12581[Reply]

I was tired of listening to indies talking more about book covers than actually writing. So, I made a thing about it.

http://youtu.be/p1zEbAtg9B0

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 No.12588

>>12581

i think that people who does that simply likes the idea of being a writer.

let them entertain the thought of being artists, what's it to you?

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 No.12679

>>12581

works for me

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 No.14145

>>12581

cool

a published author in our midst

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 No.11285[Reply]

Should it be mandatory reading in the Jewnited States?

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 No.11293

>>11285

at the very least you could have picked this one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Demon-Haunted_World

*tips the atheist hat

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 No.11316

>mandatory anything

no

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 No.14003

No. Dawkins is a faggot. Separation of church and state was the worst thing we ever did.

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 No.14007

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>>11285

No, because there is much better.

Much better as in, say, a history lesson masquerading as speculative "future" fiction.

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 No.14139

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 No.13558[Reply]

wanting to read a few books at once

I have some Clive Barker novels

some Tom Clancy books

some Dean Koontz

a ton of Warhammer lore

and political philosophy books

ok, since I already started reading one of the Warhammer books

which of the other four should I start reading?

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 No.13608

>>13558

One of the political philosophy books.

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 No.14114

no chance of the metal gear novelisation's being translated

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 No.14120

>>13608

A plus to use pol.philosophy as a point of association with other books too. I know Tom Clancy's theme often chimes with such discussion areas.

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